In "University research funding and international student numbers rose, and will likely fall, together" (EduResearch Matters, 6 July 2020), Andrew Norton points out that most Australian university academics are employed to both teach and conduct research. This should not be a surprise as the Dawkins reforms designed this into the Australia higher education system. Australian universities are required to conduct research to be called universities. This has proved useful for marketing university courses, particularly to international students. The students select a university largely based on the research reputation. The dilemma for universities is that research output has little, if anything, to do with the quality of education.